Vikas Shah interviews David Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails and co-owner of 37signals with Jason Fried, five days after a Rails World keynote where he announced that his company was stopping writing code by hand. The interview, published on September 28, 2026, opens on the question of empowerment versus dependency. His answer is blunt: AI makes people "vastly more capable," and the worry about outsourcing thought is 2,500 years old, from papyrus to rock 'n' roll, always disproven.

Then comes the central argument, which is about power rather than technology. Programmers, he says, formed a clerical class mediating access to the computer; agents play the role of Luther and remove the intermediary, which he says explains the skepticism of part of the open source community, whose premise was nonetheless control over one's own software. The analogy he developed on stage is that of the painted portrait: three months of a master painter's work reserved for aristocrats, then two trillion photos taken every year. The world gained from it; photorealistic portrait painters did not.

On model capability, he is categorical: frontier models, especially combined with one another, now surpass almost every programmer across a wide range of tasks. Most applications are CRUD, roughly 97% of the installed base. He dates the shift to the last three or four months and acknowledges that his own skills no longer count as an economic lever.

He then sorts through business models. Purely client-side software is doomed — he would not want to be Adobe. Client-server holds up because nobody wants to administer servers. Platforms with deep plumbing, like Shopify, where he sits on the board, keep a moat. Salesforce and SAP, meanwhile, are "in serious trouble": there's no more value in the code, only in process intuitions.

Omarchy occupies the second half. A Linux distribution whose Quattro version was written exclusively by agents, it embeds an agent at the core of the system: agent selection at first boot, automatic crash diagnosis, a fix and an upstream pull request. In four weeks, more than 4,000 plugins were created, most of them by non-programmers. Linux's advantage is that its 40 million lines are in the models' pretraining data.

He closes on craftsmanship — a steering advantage that keeps shrinking, and a minority who will need to understand the machine — then on robots, abundance, and "the problem of existence."